It’s Set In The Same Universe As Netflix’s Sandman And Theirs A Cameo Appearance Of Like 2 Characters

This may be a unpopular opinion but I believe everything he did including season 5 was done because he wanted to stay alive not saying it excuses everything he (tho I can definitely make a point for some stuff) but I genuinely believe all his actions came from a sense of survival

if theo truly is rotten, he’d have killed everyone the moment he came back from hell instead of trying his hardest to stay alive. this is a hill i’d die on

I have to respond to this cause I’ve been thinking about this so much

I’ve always excused a lot of theo’s actions and defended him and I’ve always wondered is that actually because of a moral belief I have or am I just biased and really like his character but as I’ve thought about it more I realized I’ve only done this with certain villains and I’ve managed to put villains into 3 categories.

1) are those who I believe are pure evil no matter what happened to them they’ve gone past a point where I can’t see any redeeming qualities and then 2) are villains who have done horribly evil things that I can’t defend but who I still believe are capable and have the chance at redemption and then theirs 3) villains like Theo who I just can’t view as him as evil I can awknoldge that what he did was wrong but I get it he was an abused kid who was stuck in a horrible situation being manipulated while his life was constantly in danger and I can’t judge him cause of that anybody in his situation would do exactly what he did and those that say they wouldn’t probably are lying to themselves we could say oh I wouldn’t be manipulated or even if I was forced to hurt someone else I would rather die but most of us would do it he was 9 and spent his whole life with them the fact that he was able to change and become better proves he wasn’t all that bad plus they forgave argent for trying to kill them and killing how many other supernaturals simply because of his childhood why should Theo be any different

#4 emails part 3

I just wanted to share some emails sent back and forth about my fic Sense of a Foreshortened Future because I need inspiration to start writing it again. In these emails it's referred to as #4 because it was the fourth Thiam fic I ever started writing. I will do my best to remove what I think is spoilers.

Hi hello,

Okay so I have this one question which is: do you think Liam forgave Theo for what he did?

I'd like your initial opinion before you read my brain thoughts on why I'm conflicted about this question.

Brain thoughts (there's a lot unfortunately and they are going to be kinda all over the place):

I have this very basic concept of why I like enemies to lovers, it's not that they love each other because or despite their past actions or who they used to be, they just love each other.

Liam- at least the way I'm writing him- thinks of Theo before Kira's prison and Theo after as basically two different people. Can you forgive someone if your brain isn't connecting that they were the same person who did the hurtful/bad action?

At what point in an abused child's life do they become responsible for the actions they might have been manipulated into doing? At what point do you draw the line in the sand? Is it when they turn a certain age, or are removed from the abuse, or when they have people telling them what they're doing is wrong? Is it fair to judge someone based on a decision(s) they made while being threatened with death? 

Where does manipulation end and personal choice begin? 

Could you ever forgive someone for hurting you and the people you care about like that? I want to say that I'd be able to, but if I came face to face with that I don't know if I would be able to do it. I'd want to be able to forgive. Do you need to forgive someone to love them in a healthy way if you've both grown?

Is forgiveness something that happens all at once or do you need to wake up every day and forgive again?

What even is forgiveness? It could be reconciliation with the person who hurt you. Maybe it's when the negative emotions you used to feel about someone are replaced by positive or neutral ones. It could be when you stop feeling resentment or the need for revenge. Is it forgetting or ignoring or fully acknowledging? 

Maybe it's all of those things.

Do you think Liam forgave Theo for what he did? Does he have to?

From inside a library contemplating the meaning of life, seven

God okay so this is a lot. bravo. You've clearly thought about this a lot so I say to go with whatever you think because I have no idea how to answer this I'm going to be honest.

But no he doesn't have to forgive him, I'm just not sure if he has.

I think maybe Liam has forgiven him in the way that he doesn't feel contempt or want revenge. I think I need Liam in the story to realize that the person he keeps referring to as Evil Theo is the same Theo that he is almost friends with is the same person. I think a lot of the anger he has for Evil Theo is aimed more at the idea that the pack was hurt. I think (later on) Liam will remember what it felt like when he was being manipulated into trying to kill Scott, and how that situation didn't define him as a person because he did the work to be better after that and Liam will kinda apply that to Theo.

Honeslty theo seems special compared to the other chimeras.

1.for some reason he was the only one explicitly targeted by the doctors everyone one else already had a organ transplant to the doctors took them but Theo they did it themselves

2.the fact that he survived the experiment even tho almost everyone else died.

3. Like you mentioned he can full shift

It really makes you wonder why they choose him like he was a 9 year old child that they targeted who wasn’t even fully compatible with their experiments until they made him so and he ended up beside mason being one of their only successes 

Cannonically Theo is the only Chimera to be able to full shift and not failed like the rest of the Chimeras (besides not being compatible to be the beast), but what I wanna know is why. What did the DDs do that let's him full shift into a wolf since in season 4 Derek had to evolve(and die) to get it and Malia can full shift due to her being a Coyote but Theos full shift is a wolf and not a Coyote.

Why was Theo the only one with this ability since Tracey couldn't even go full kanima etc. Like did the DDs use a evolved wolfs parts for Theos conversion to a chimera or is it possible Theo already was a wolf and he did die during the conversion process, but "evolved" in a way when they revived him.

But at the same time this doesn't explain Theos heart condition and asthma etc since he potentially shouldn't of had those if he was a born wolf 🤔 as he lost those when he became a chimera. I NEED TO KNOW

This is a kid that was experimented on since he was 9 (and probably knows his own insides better than he should since I doubt they used anesthesia on him at all(cough Theo feels little to no pain theory cough)) and maybe they did somehow use their technology to force a full shift of Theo and due to the dangers chose not to try again or something.

I'm rambling now but I hope people get the idea 😭

I just read the first chapter and God that was good I'm excited for the rest also I'm sensing scileo friendship vibes in this which is making me even more excited

Chapters: 1/? Fandom: Teen Wolf (TV) Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Liam Dunbar/Theo Raeken, Theo Raeken & Stiles Stilinski, Scott McCall & Theo Raeken, Chris Argent & Theo Raeken, Peter Hale & Theo Raeken Characters: Theo Raeken, Liam Dunbar, Stiles Stilinski, Scott McCall (Teen Wolf), Peter Hale, Derek Hale, Chris Argent, Alan Deaton, Melissa McCall Additional Tags: Suicidal Thoughts, Suicide Attempt, Canon-Typical Violence, Angst, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Hurt/Comfort, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Hurt Theo Raeken, Theo Raeken Needs a Hug, Theo Raeken-centric, Protective Liam Dunbar, Pining Liam Dunbar, I believe in Theo and Stiles bestieism Summary:

Theo is just trying to survive his second chance at life. Too bad outside forces want the opposite.

Okay I’m kinda curious on what people think each of the puppy pack would do for jobs in the future

So these characters

Liam Dunbar(Honestly I kinda view as a history teacher)

Mason Hewitt(I refuse to believe he became a cop)

Corey Bryant(I can kinda see him in something maybe medical or a photographer)

So for the rest I have no idea

Theo raeken

Nolan Holloway

Alec

Hayden Romero

Brett

Lori

It’s not even over cause then he ends up being forced to work for the McCall pack then he’s homeless and then he gets kidnapped and toured again then arrested again and then forced to help fight a war and still after all that he’s still homeless at least he might get a boyfriend after everything

the fact that theo hasn't had the chance to just EXIST in like a decade really gets me. he was abducted, abused, and controlled for years and now that he can actually live – not serve a purpose, just live – it must be pretty fucking daunting. he spent over half his life being puppeted by mad scientists who only saw him as a means to an end, so like. now what? where do you even start?

reblog this rat until staff gets involved

Okay that’s your interpretation I guess and I do see how you can see that in some scenes. Buts that completely ignoring a few episodes ago where mason says you can’t take pain unless you care meaning Theo wouldn’t have been physically able to take Gabe’s pain unless he felt some type of empathy for Gabe in the scene showing a moment of growth. And while you could say Theo just decided not to take masons pain. wouldn’t that have been better cause he gets points with mason for helping him and also would get points with Liam for helping his best friend. Then theirs the fact that Theo didn’t have to help the pack anymore, they didn’t have anything on him to control him, they had broken the sword. He was helping cause he wanted to and while you could say it was manipulation if he truly was still evil he wouldn’t have put himself at risk cause he ultimately would put himself first he wouldn’t drag Liam’s unconscious body cause, that would have been too risky for him or with the ghost riders he would have done what he said and just have left Liam to be captured and get out of town but he still helped and put himself at risk. Also in season 5 he was shown to try to corrupt the pack to try and get them to be darker like him which is why he got stiles to kill Donovan, yet in season 6 he actively stops Liam from killing twice and even gives him advice on his anger, and unlike stiles where it’s in self defense with Liam they would have been full on murder yet he stops him.

Ultimately Theo’s character is kinda ambiguous cause they barely give us anything of his past and what they do give us can interpreted in different ways. This is why a lot of people have different views on Theo so you can’t just say everybody else but you is wrong when theirs things in the show to explicitly show his redemption. But you can still see it as manipulation cause of how his character his. But that’s more to the person but most including I see it as him growing and becoming better.

sorry but this has to be said because i?? can't understand how some people can't seem to fucking grasp that theo taking gabe's pain was NOT character development, and consequently don't understand that therefore it was also NOT genuine??? theo has NEVER fucking shown an ounce of authentic care that was not driven by his own self-interest/desire. he would both do AND say anything to get closer to scott, even AFTER killing him. if given the opportunity, he would do it AGAIN. you think theo wasn't fully aware of the opportunity that presented itself in that situation? WHO did he have the easiest access to that looked up to and trusted scott the most? LIAM. if theo could have a display of "growth" in front of liam, that literally EQUATES to building credibility and trust with SCOTT. word gets around, no one in beacon hills shuts the fuck up about the things they witness. you can't tell me liam wouldn't relay this information to scott, that theo didn't absolutely KNOW that everyone in a thousand mile radius would know how "he'd changed/grown/whatever the fuck." and i don't know how much louder i can say this, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS LIFE THAT CANNOT BE REDEEMED, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT REDEMPTION. theo is inherently INCAPABLE of being saved. there's no amount of love, of communication, and no amount of trust that will alter his chemical make up. theo's environment has NEVER be one of safety, and he has NEVER been driven morally to do the right thing. he doesn't CARE when he does the wrong thing as long as it gains him POWER. how many times did he willingly show he did not have any regard for anyone he hurt when it actually came down to it? how many times did he LIE? how many times did he lead people to think he cared WHEN HE DIDN'T? how FAR was he willing to go and how CALLOUS was he when people finally realized what he was doing? and the sheer amount of posts saying "i'm so proud of theo," and "look how much he's grown" make me CRINGE because it's so apparent the blatant lack of understanding of his character. i absolutely PRAY that none of you have encountered or will encounter someone like theo in your life, because those are the type of people who destroy EVERY BIT of you who are, remove you from yourself, strip you of all your prior beliefs, and ruin EVERYTHING they touch. STOP MISTAKING WELL-EXECUTED AND CONTINUED MANIPULTION FOR GROWTH.

Honestly I do think she’s dead but I don’t think she’s gonna stay dead there’s leaks about her coming back and I feel like whatever Billy is doing on the road might be to try and get his family back

guys do we truly believe wanda is dead

i just need joe locke and elizabeth olsen in the same vicinity okay. not a want it’s a need.

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