What counts as TBMC? Ex-Pentecostal wanting to know because I never really see clear and concise definitions on these things and trying to research RAMCOA gives me a lot of dodgy right wing rhetoric which I don't want to keep having to comb through for my own sanity.
TBMC is known by as two things. One: trauma based mind control. Two: torture based mind control.
Most survivors we've also ran into prefer the former because it tends to include things that are less extreme and not everyone feels their trauma went far enough to be considered torture. It's also unfortunately true that a lotta alt-righters tend to get into mind control in a more co-opting nature, which is ironic given the group that did that to us was alt-right. Honestly we find the TB to be unnecessary given mind control is always traumatic and is inherently horrific.
TBMC is something done primarily through abusive means to induce a dissociative state, in which one becomes more suggestible. This can be done in order to intentionally create parts/alters (when done starting on someone as a child in rare cases) or just to make someone behave the way you want them to. This is why sometimes people who are abducted by other countries as agents betray their old group and join in with their abusers. (For an extreme example). Other ways the dissociative state is achieved is through putting people into forms of trances. This can be done with meditation or mantras, forced hypnotization, and at times substances.
We've got a good mixture of both mind control and conditioning. The conditioning is done more via Pavlov's Dogs type experiences and "training" and is less tied to TBMC and typically easier to train out of. Mind control- especially in those raised with it- is driven into a part of their personality. It becomes an essential piece of the whole identity and it is not something that can be taken away without proper aid and therapy. You cannot deprogram yourself from mind control the way you can "uncondition" yourself, so to speak.
Anything that was driven into you while in a dissociative state (thus highly suggestible) or being actively traumatized that is ideological, personal, an act, behaviors, etc. is typically a form of mind control. A very common example of this is being made to be fully and completely dependent upon your leader/an authority figure. This may result in what is reminiscent of worship of the individual and in some cases leaves the victims incapable of making decisions. To this day we have to ask friends in desperation what food we should eat because the idea of deciding for ourselves is far too difficult. We roll dice connected to numbers to mark our decisions in hopes of having a way to make a choice. (And again, this is but one example.)
Some of the information we have garnered on the subject comes from a variety of sources more heavily focused upon cults as that was what we grew up in and with. We have dug deep into the information on what makes a cult a cult and what signs of specific types of cultic programming we exhibit. Even then programming can be hard to categorize and know what is meant by because it's so personal and specific in its application. I am uncertain if we are of much help- but I will say we personally see no harm in if you find spaces appropriate for it, asking if specific things you expect may be programming or signs of TBMC are able to be labeled as such. That's what we had to do to accept we were a RAMCOA survivor as we originally had less memories of the cult until given the name by our parents (to be clear we did this only because we were already in therapy and part of our recovery and work is being done in order to come out against the group and the leader, and have full legal protections as a whistle blower)
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RAMCOA stands for Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, & Organized Abuse.
what are the first steps you would recommend for someone who thinks they may have gone through RA/OA/RAMCOA?
Here's some tips that I and others have recommended. I want to emphasize that I am not a professional, just a survivor with experience and some research under my belt. What helped me may not be what helps you.
Track! Your! Symptoms! This is the best advice I can give you. RAMCOA is all about repetition and patterns, and being able to look at reoccurring symptoms on specific dates, times, triggers, etc. can give you a clue into what happened. If you are a system/pwDID/pwOSDD, see if certain alters/parts show up in specific ways too.
Do not try to figure it all out now. Don't overanalyze everything, don't obsess over every detail, don't scour your system (if you have one) for information. You will not learn everything right away. If you did experience RAMCOA, you may experience some severe internal retaliation for pushing too hard, and no one deserves to be hurt. It's a hard lesson to learn; everyone wants to solve all the mysteries as fast as they can, but it's infeasible.
Similarly, don't overload yourself with external information. It's almost compulsive at first, the want to research and explore the topic, but that can create some issues. You can end up triggering yourself (RAMCOA related or general trauma related), accidentally mess with your own memories, and you won't retain much at first. I'd recommend only baby steps at first when it comes to research, and specifically overview sites and not journal articles or case studies. Give yourself a break. It's scary and stressful to go through all of it.
Don't worry about the lingo yet, either. RAMCOA survivors use a lot of specific terminology and I promise, if you choose to, you'll learn it in time. You can also ask here or other blogs about what stuff like "screen memories" or "CSEC" or "Beta" mean. It's unfortunately a big barrier to entry with these communities but don't stress too much about it.
Find community. A lot of spaces for RAMCOA survivors are specifically welcoming to unsure folk, and encourage questions and discussions. If you come off anon/DM, I can guide you to spaces (primarily private Discord servers) that are run by knowledgeable people who aren't old conspiracy theorists, as it seems most spaces these days are.
What you remember may be confusing, contradictory, outlandish, or downright impossible; this doesn't mean you're faking or a liar. Abusers are known to mess with their victims memories, and this goes double during RAMCOA. Costumes, stage magic, film or music, and flat out lies are all in the toolkit. Additionally, factors like dissociation, (often forced) substance use, dehydration & hunger, lack of sleep, etc. can warp memories. Don't take what you recall at face value, but don't throw it away, either. "Crazy" memories are often substitute beliefs or smokescreens that when re-examined, tell a "more true" story. And it's okay if it turns out you didn't experience RAMCOA at all. You're not faking our a liar in that case, either.
Our story was different than most; instead of suddenly remembering trauma, we always knew we experienced what we did, we just didn't have the words for it. (Especially since our situation uncomfortably straddled the line of "too organized to be considered 'normal' CSA, but not organized enough to be considered a formal group whatsoever".) We found that communities online have been a lifesaver in navigating our past, present, and future as survivors.
Take care! Aisling
Read an article about repressed anger and I'm kinda just messed up because I checked all 15 boxes.
Here's 15 signs you may have repressed anger:
1. You are busy all the time. Keeping busy is a sure fire way to have no time to feel things. This might include being quite codependent, taking care of other people’s issues instead of your own. And it often includes being a workaholic.
2. You are never angry but have constant mild depression. The problem with blocking one emotion is that it often messes up or blocks our ability to feel other emotions, too, like joy and excitement. It also takes a lot of psychological energy to keep things repressed in our minds which can leave us feeling drained, leaving some to call depression ‘anger turned inwards’.
3. You are known for your sarcastic humour.Repressed anger often parades as sarcasm, meanness, or an apathetic ‘I don’t care’ attitude.
4. You self-sabotage often. Perhaps you are always late getting to work, are a student who skips classes, or don’t respond to opportunities you want until it’s too late and you’ve missed the boat.
5. You hate rejection. The habit of repressing anger often stems from growing up in a household where showing emotion led to being silently ostracised. This can leave you a grownup with a deep fear of being rejected that surfaces in your relationships. It can also show up in your work environment, where you might get told you are oversensitive to criticism.
6. Little things really bother you. Perhaps you are the one in the office always complaining if someone puts back the milk carton into the fridge with only a drop left in it, or the one at the gym who feels really upset if someone doesn’t wipe down equipment they have used. This is because bigger repressed anger is seeking an outlet and it comes out in the form of frustration and annoyance.
7. You suffer muscle tension. Anger has to go somewhere, and often it goes to our body, leading to a tense jaw, sore upper back, or a constant tense stomach that can lead to ulcers (if this is you, you might want to try progressive muscle relaxation).
8. You suffer from ongoing fatigue, many colds or flu, or perhaps chronic pain. As well as muscle tension repressed anger can lead to anxiety, which affects sleep, which then lowers your immune system. As for chronic pain, some specialists believe that psychogenic pain (physical pain caused or exacerbated by mental and emotional factors) can be a distraction to keep oneself away from repressed emotions, although this is still considered a controversial theory.
9. You have nervous habits. Things like nail biting, chewing the inside of your mouth, orpicking at your skin can all be signs of repressed anger.
10. You struggle with addictive behaviour. It doesn’t have to be drugs or alcohol. It might be that you are a shopaholic, a love addict, an over-exerciser, or a food addict. Addiction is often a way to distract ourselves from things that feel painful, and if we are in pain over something, we are often very angry about it, too.
11. You need to be in control of your life. If we are controlling emotions, it can lead to a desire to also control our exterior environment.
12. You’ve been accused of being passive aggressive. Passive aggression happens when instead of expressing our anger directly we do it indirectly. This can include things like being nice to someone’s face but gossiping about them behind their back, or telling a partner we aren’t angry about something important like how they spent the month’s budget but calling them lazy for not putting the rubbish out.
13. You have trouble saying no. As healthy anger is what leads us to set boundaries, never showing anger often means never saying no or even realising that you can.
14. On the rare occasion you do get upset, it tends to be a blowout. You might only get properly upset once a year, but it tends to be explosive and something others live in fear of. This is what happens when there is a build up of emotions.
15. You feel happy all the time, just pure peace and love. This kind of belief about oneself generally points to some deep-rooted denial. The human mind and emotional system is not one-sided. Nobody feels great all the time. If we did, we’d never learn anything, as we grow from being challenged and by contrast – which includes not always liking what other people do and say.
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - alters been quiet for a while? *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - nonhuman alters? *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - trans alters? *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - little alters? *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - fictive heavy systems? *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - alters acting similar to the host? *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - all persecutors are *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - all protectors/caregivers are *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - all trauma holders are *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - your trauma is *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
(´,,•ω•,,)♡ - your disorder is *✧・゚:* * VALID! *:・゚✧*
MARCH 2022
Read:
Changing Your Mind Can Make You Less Anxious
Life in the Stacks: A Love Letter to Browsing
Excerpt from We Learn Nothing, by Tim Kreider
World wide open (How deep brain stimulation changes a person’s sense of confidence)
How to gain more from your reading
Assertiveness is a virtue that anyone can develop with practice
Lies and honest mistakes
The Pandemic Did Not Affect Mental Health the Way You Think
The invisible addiction: is it time to give up caffeine?
Curiosity Depends on What You Already Know
“Get Me Off Your Fucking Mailing List” is an actual science paper accepted by a journal
Imagine you could insert knowledge into your mind: should you?*
Want to know, even if it hurts? You must be a truth masochist
Mental disorders are brain disorders - here’s why that matters
Forget morality
Unlocking the ‘gut microbiome’ - and its massive significance to our health
Our Little Life Is Rounded with Possibility
In praise of habits - so much more than mindless reflexes
How Social Media Shapes Our Identity
The Forgotten Women of the Antibiotics Race
Diagnosis as Detective Work: Lisa Sanders and the Art of Not Knowing
Do Brain Implants Change Your Identity?
The Promise and the Peril of Virtual Health Care
Adam Savage on Lists, More Lists, and the Power of Checkboxes
What We Get Wrong About Joan Didion
How to find focus
Biotechnology Greed Is Prolonging the Pandemic. It’s Inexcusable.
Why some of the smartest people can be so very stupid
In praise of possibility
Empathy is, at heart, an aesthetic appreciation of the other
‘I Can’t Stop Trying to Be Perfect!’
Reports of a Baleful Internet Are Greatly Exaggerated
How to Unlearn a Disease
Can Reading Make You Happier?
Expert by Roger Kneebone
Watched:
Vaccines & Freedom
Succession - The Toxic Culture of Success
the problem with plastic surgery
L to the OG: How Succession Uses Music**
Peaky Blinders (S6)
Dopesick
Listened To:
I’m still going round the same playlist as last month
Went To:
Life Through A Royal Lens @ Kensington Palace
Swan Lake @ Royal Opera House
my depression tips:
* whenever you go to the bathroom, try to do one hygiene task like brushing your teeth, moisturising or washing your face, bc ur already in there so you might as well
* leave out clothes in the bathroom so if u feel like you have the energy to shower you don’t have to waste time on picking out clothes, you can just get straight in
* if u wanna shave but you don’t have the energy, u can get an electric shaver and shave in bed, you won’t get as much hair off but it still does something
* get some of those one time use, water free toothbrushes and keep some next to ur bed, and use some water and any empty bowl or container to spit the toothpaste into. you can also keep a mini mouthwash next to your bed
* for food, try to get ready made meals and frozen meals. i keep a mini fridge in my room with drinks and snacks so if i can’t make it down to the kitchen i have something to fuel my body with
* if u can’t clean your room, make a list in order of priority (mine is floor, bed and surfaces) and whenever you feel like u can or u get a random burst of energy, just do a little bit
* keep a waterbottle next to your bed, and if you have clean tap water refill it whenever you go to the bathroom. i usually use fizzy water and squash so i feel like i’m drinking soda but it’s much healthier
* if u can’t get out of bed but wanna feel more clean, change your underwear and your shirt, then use some dry shampoo and wipes on ur armpits and sweaty areas
* if u have pets, make them a priority bc they need you to live, and they care about you so much, so spending time with them will make u feel better and loved
* if u can’t brush ur hair, don’t tie it up bc it will turn into a rat’s nest and you just don’t wanna have to deal with that. even detangling it with your fingers is better than nothing. also braiding it will protect it
* if u can’t sleep, lying still and closing your eyes still is rly good rest, and if u don’t wanna be alone with your thoughts you can listen to a podcast (any true crime or mythology ones are my fave)
* buy multiple pairs of ur comfort outfits so you always have something you want to wear to change into
* try to get up and open your window to air your room out of the smell, incense also works well to cover it
* to keep you entertained, here are some ideas:
* listen to ur fave songs, podcasts or an audiobook
* browse some social medias (tiktok, reddit and tumblr are my faves)
* join a discord server and just kinda idle on that and watch ppl chat
* play a mindless game on ur phone or if u have a handheld device like a switch (on my phone i love life is strange and on my switch i’ve been playing legend of zelda: breath of the wild)
* read some fanfics on ur phone (all the young dudes is a must read)
* kids activity books of ur fave fandoms are rly fun
* read some webtoons (heartstopper is amazing)
* watching a game play through on youtube (minecraft and skyrim ones are my faves)
* rewatching ur comfort movies or watching some funny cartoons
* if u have a laptop, download sims and play that
hey there! if you dont mind me asking, what does programmed mean coming from a traumagenic system? ive only ever seen endos use that one so im curious what it means to someone who Legitimately has DID. /gen thank you! :-)
Hi, I'll answer this the best I can.
Programmed means that someone has undergone trauma programming. It's not exclusive to dissociative systems either - a singlet can also be programmed.
If you've been trauma programmed it just means that somebody has purposely used a more "organised" form of abuse to change or control you, and it leaves an imprint on who you are.
In systems this can mean having alters who behave in a way / have an identity that suits an abuser's preference, but it can also be done to singlets in small ways such as an abuser programming you to have a phobia of something.
But essentially, it's when an abuser has purposely used abuse and/or stressors to change the way you think or behave.
Honestly I don't know how an endo could claim to be trauma programmed bc that would mean they're not endogenic. To be programmed you literally have to undergo immense trauma that's how it works. But that's what it means anyway.
- Leo
Can you explain what a shell alter is and what their purpose is? /gen
Shell alters are a dissociated system member who is fronting all the time, or almost all the time. They often lack elaboration. Shells work as an interface between the rest of the system & the outside world by never leaving front, and having the rest of the system either blending with them temporariality or being forced into co-consciousness. This serves a few purposes; make the system more covert, mask inter-switch amnesia, blunt or filter out emotions/urges/etc. from the rest of the system, and more. It's uncommon, but there can be multiple shells one system, serving different subroles.
In some cases of OSDD-1a, the shell is the "unified" identity. Think like, if the system is made up of "angry Sarah", "scared Sarah", "work Sarah", etc., that shell would be the "Sarah" identity.
They're most commonly seen in OSDD-1a, but can come up in other forms of multiplicity, like DID, but typically when RAMCOA is in the picture. Although it can be daunting, healing with a shell is possible. You can reached out to them, they can be integrated, they gain more elaboration, etc etc. Whatever healing path works for you.
We don't have a shell, but I'm sure some pwDID/OSDD on this hellsite (affectionate) have talked about their experiences with them more in depth. There isn't a ton of research on them — many sites point to Alison Miller's books, but there's no actual like, raw data, just summations of what's she's found in her practice/case studies — so take that as you will.
Each shell is a different, and different systems may use slightly different definitions. Hopefully this was a good overview. -Aisling
Question, would maladaptive daydreaming about the torture also, counties as creative expression of the trauma? Also, please stop calling us out/j
I've seen lots of survivors of various kinds of abuse, particularly RAMCOA, post recently about how either one of the first signs they were abused in that way, or something they rediscovered/recalled later on, was that during childhood they often re-enacted traumatic scenarios or scenarios similar through games, or playground role-playing. Expression of trauma and abuse through creative means is very common in childhood - scientifically, it's more difficult for anyone to express their trauma through verbal means than it is through art, or etc, and this is the basis for art & play therapies commonly used with children and younger patients. It's a recognised phenomenon in psychology that there are certain markers in children's art for trauma, as it alters one's self perception to go through these experiences, especially in youth. So, in reference to RAMCOA/OEA in particular - recreating these situations in childhood games is perfectly normal, and if you feel this is an experience that resonates with you, you're not at all alone.
RAMCOA changes one's perception of what is normal, and intentionally so, and so to see a child express this through games which would ordinarily be much more domestic - like playing house, whereas a survivor might reenact a scene of torture, or an imagined trafficking ring - is a child survivor expressing a scenario which is normal for them without having to acknowledge it verbally through any means. This extends again to art, and writings, etc - if you look back on the "ordinary" parts of your childhood, and feel the trauma bleeds into those regardless, this is perfectly normal. Even if you feel that at the time you shouldn't have known about those things, or that you didn't see them with nearly the weight that they should have carried - all of this is okay. Everyone works things out at their own pace. All of us survived.
— Muse
I dont want to make this a habit however, when looking for terms to reclaim, I came across a post that made me recoil in disgust. @ cincinique made a post defending the not reclaimed term Trans Ramcoa and I would like to bring this to people attention so they can block the people interacting with this post and defending this term. I would like this to be perfectly clear, if you use the term Trans-Ramcoa or similar Trans-id terms, you are:
Defending Child pornography
Romanticizing Child Prostitution
Romanticizing the torture of Children
Defending Child rapists
YOU. ARE. BORDERLINE. PEDOPHILIC.
Not in a million years will these people understand what we went through as a child, all the abuse and torture we experienced at the hands of the people who were supposed to love us. To call this a kink, to say its just you being "kinky" is you getting off to the idea of child torture. You calling this a kink is you pushing people into dangerous situations were they will be abused and tortured. What you post matters. What you do matters. Do not make your legacy online supporting child rape and child torture.
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